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[Jefra Bland]

I can't wait for Yul speach

[rc]

Do I have to vote for one of them :/

[Silas Gaither]

Oct 8, 2014 6:51:15 GMT -5 rc said:

Do I have to vote for one of them :/

Well, Bobby isn't!

[Mary Sartain]

I'll vote for Cliff just for the hell of it, giving him a blowout 1-0 win since all the other jurors can't bring themselves to put a name down.

[Silas Gaither]

Seriously ughhh if Cliff wins. >_< It's just hard to let someone win who imo didn't really care for it or put the effort in most of the time.

[rc]

I never talked to Cliff but to those who did - was he perverted and goofy the whole time or was he able to have normal / strategical conversations? I've only seen the things he writes on the proboards

[Silas Gaither]

He acts the same way imo, from the little I got out of him. Not that he was ever online much for me to judge...

[Jefra Bland]

He write to me to make moves, and we vote out Silas, thx

[Mary Sartain]

Oct 8, 2014 11:08:40 GMT -5 rc said:

I never talked to Cliff but to those who did - was he perverted and goofy the whole time or was he able to have normal / strategical conversations? I've only seen the things he writes on the proboards

He's definitely capable of normal strategic conversations. He's very... in character, but he's certainly got the capacity for normality. I'd say a decent example of that was his voting speech at F3 where he stepped out of character for a second to draw the lines that he doesn't really cross. It was a pretty decent strategic move for him to mention that it'd be a disgrace to both Brandon and the series for Yul to win (which it absolutely would), and to vote off Ethan, who would possibly have beaten him. 

Honestly, Silas, I get that you don't like the guy, but literally the only difference between the two of them is that Cliff never pretended he wasn't being an ass. He might have acted like he didn't care that much, but I've seen him pull the same shtick before, and it turned out after the game that he'd been playing a much better UTR game than anybody gave him credit for.  

[Mary Sartain]

After reading Yul's statement, there are three things I have to say:

Number one, I don't like that he's essentially victim-shaming Jefra by saying she didn't come forward to anybody. She did talk to me about it, before I was voted off. I was disgusted by it then, and I made an issue out of it the second I had some free time, which coincidentally happened right after I got kicked out.

Number two, me not voting for him has zero to do with the sex angle. It has everything to do with the fact that he treated people in this game like garbage. He repeatedly insisted that integrity and character meant everything to him, that there were a lot of lines that he as a person would never cross, and all kinds of other things. When you put your own personal integrity and your personal sense of honor on the line like that, and then backstab people and say "Durr hurr hurr it's just a game," that's a cop out, in my opinion. Believe me, his lies have not been limited to this game, and they go beyond even the alias outing and other stuff he did in his public speech there.

Number three, and I can't stress this enough - Yul is a liar. He is a very prolific liar. Based on how he reacted to Bobby, repeatedly calling him a "Nigga" when Bobby stated outright that he finds that offensive, I really don't think that he's apologetic in the slightest. Most of the time in his "apologies," what he actually says is that he's "sorry you feel that way," which is something I used to say to people when I was six years old and had to apologize for things I didn't feel bad about in the slightest. He's not sorry for the things he did, he's only sorry that we're mad at him for it. I think he's a clever guy who sees a jury that hates him, and he'll say whatever he has to say to try and look good. He's been doing it all game, and I don't see any reason why after lying so often about so many things, he'd suddenly start being honest now when the win is on the line. We've heard all game that he's Mr. Integrity and Mr. Honesty, and every time any of us gave him the benefit of the doubt, we paid the price. We've all seen over and over again that he will say whatever he has to say to look good, even to people who are out of the game.

[Jefra Bland]

No one welcome Ethan because no one know who he is

[Mary Sartain]

RC, there are at least two lies in Yul's answer to you. I'll do a more in-depth read through later tonight and see if there are any more I missed.

He's claiming credit for the Kass boot (Bob's said more than once that Yul was 100% wanting to vote me and wouldn't have figured things out if it wasn't for him.)

He's also lying about when he asked me to throw the challenge. He was begging long before the challenge began in earnest, not after he already had a lead like he claims.

[Taj Johnson]

Yul is lying lying lying.

[Mary Sartain]

If anybody wants specific examples of more lies, and/or proof of those lies, I'll provide whatever I can. Just off the top of my head, I told him about the Silas blindside way in advance, so I don't know why he didn't see that coming, and no way on earth did we only become allies "mid-merge," we'd been talking strategy since the joint TC. I can try to find IMs/PMs to back that up if anybody wants to see them, but it'll take me a while since I run three different AIM programs on three different computers, some of which aren't logged, and I don't know what I said on which one when; so it'd be a pain in the arse to slog through them if nobody's actually all that interested. 

[Mary Sartain]

I got close to you to goad you to burn your two idols and I needed your votes to do other things as well.

That's right, folks. Yul got close to me so that he could burn my idols. Never mind that that he had absolutely no idea I had it until Bob Dawg told him.