Post by Mary Sartain on Oct 9, 2014 0:20:10 GMT -5
So, okay, lesbihonest, we all know where my vote is going. Cliff, congratulations buddy. I hope you win this, and pop a cold one for me back at FE.
The only reason I'm making this thread is because this disclaimer made me laugh a lot.
Yul, you've spent the entire game being dishonest. You've spent the entire game lying your ass off. You lied to me about other games, for pete's sake. And you seriously expect that if you get caught out in a lie at this FTC, we'll come to you expecting to get an honest answer? You lied when there was no possible gain, why the hell would you tell the truth now if lying might win you the game? There's literally nothing you can say to make yourself more believable, because you swore on your character and your personal integrity and your honor this whole game, told all of us that you were not the kind of person who'd lie to people and manipulate them and stab them in the back. And you were that kind of person, over and over again. It was all a lie. Well, man, eventually you run out of things to swear on. You've got no credibility left, because you decided to waste all of it making bogus promises you never intended to keep.
It's actually pretty disrespectful to the jurors that you're giving them that little speech. What you're saying is, you don't trust them to see past other people's bitterness. These are smart people, and I'm pretty sure they're capable of telling when someone's bitter and spewing BS to try and hurt someone they don't like. If I, or anybody else, is calling you a liar without any proof to back it up, they're not going to just blindly go along with that. Give them a little credit.
As for me, I'm not basing any of this on emotion. I mean, for real, I don't like you, and probably never will, but that's irrelevant. I dealt with cold hard logic and facts when I responded to your attacks on me in public, and I'm going to do the same thing tonight. I'm gonna use the word "facts" more times than is necessary, just to drive the point home. If I can't prove something, I'll say that "I think" this or that, but otherwise, it's all just facts. I'm gonna keep it real simple like that. There are things that I feel, and there are things that just are, and the things that just are, are facts, regardless of how I feel. Facts facts facts. Y'okay?
So the facts is, you spent the entire game lying to everybody. Fact is, you treated people like garbage. Fact is, you went out of your way to make people feel safe, and to get their trust so that you could throw it away afterwards, and then you told them that they should never have expected anything else, because "it's a game." A lot of the things you did weren't necessary for your survival, which makes me think you were doing it just for fun, so you could enjoy manipulating us. Fact is, you rubbed all our faces in it in your public declaration, saying that you pissed on us like it was a joke. Those are the things that happened. Those are the things you did and said. That's not anybody being bitter, that's just the way you played the game. Now, here's what I think, pure speculation based on those facts. I think you showed your true colors in those posts. I think that that's the kind of player you really are, I think you let the mask slip for just a little bit, and now you're putting it back on and trying to get us to forget what we saw. I don't think you're actually sorry for anything you did. I don't think you're likely to tell the truth, because the fact is that you have not done it so far, and you have proven time and time again that you cannot be trusted.
Now, let's talk about bitterness. You've admitted that you were wrong about epicsbb, and I appreciate that. But that little speech took away your right to devalue anybody else's opinion due to bitterness. Because you thought that I attacked you first, you insulted me and sabotaged my aliases in other games. That is bitterness. That is getting vengeance on someone who you think hurt you first. And, yes, the fact is you apologized. But let's not overlook the fact that you apologized because you happened to be wrong. Not because it was wrong on any moral level to insult me or sabotage my alias. If I had actually done what you thought I did, you'd feel perfectly justified in calling me a cuntrag and an asshole, in telling me to grow a pair of balls, and in insulting Jefra's intelligence. I've read and re-read your apology, and in fact the only thing that you're actually apologizing for is that you happened to sling those insults at the wrong target. So I think you yourself are bitter. I can see it in your opening statement, where you turn me IMing you like two or three times after I was voted out (one of those times being an offline IM that was like... fifteen words total, if that), into "ripping on you over and over," as though this was some constant tirade that you had to put up with. Fact is, I was pretty unkind to you during the one actual conversation we had after I was voted out, so I totally understand if you're mad at me. I think you've got a right to be. But the fact is that you have made assumptions about me and about the things I say and do, and you have been proven wrong. So your claims that "anybody who says I'm lying is just bitter" aren't any more valid than anything that any "bitter" juror says. You're just as capable of having your vision clouded by your opinions of people.
And as for the disclaimer itself, I'll speak up on my own behalf. Here's the facts, and you can feel however you like about them: when you say things that are untrue, I will tell the jurors, and I will tell them in the jury forum. I'll show them whatever proof I have, so that they know that I'm not saying anything out of "bitterness" and what the facts are. And if they aren't convinced by those facts, and they want to get your side of things, they can go ahead and ask for it, knowing full well that they are asking a habitual liar to tell the truth.
And ya know what the neat thing about this is? If you tell the truth, I will have nothing to tell the other jurors, and it'll all be gravy. It's all up to you, dude.
Please don't post a response.
The only reason I'm making this thread is because this disclaimer made me laugh a lot.
Due to some major bitterness if anyone in Jury is saying I said anything otherwise or am lying about anything I said please let me know hear and we can clarify everything here rather then believing them. IDK if this is going on but just a disclaimer I am putting in everyone's area because I know some people are in bitter mode.
I'll be happy to show what proof I can.
I'll be happy to show what proof I can.
Yul, you've spent the entire game being dishonest. You've spent the entire game lying your ass off. You lied to me about other games, for pete's sake. And you seriously expect that if you get caught out in a lie at this FTC, we'll come to you expecting to get an honest answer? You lied when there was no possible gain, why the hell would you tell the truth now if lying might win you the game? There's literally nothing you can say to make yourself more believable, because you swore on your character and your personal integrity and your honor this whole game, told all of us that you were not the kind of person who'd lie to people and manipulate them and stab them in the back. And you were that kind of person, over and over again. It was all a lie. Well, man, eventually you run out of things to swear on. You've got no credibility left, because you decided to waste all of it making bogus promises you never intended to keep.
It's actually pretty disrespectful to the jurors that you're giving them that little speech. What you're saying is, you don't trust them to see past other people's bitterness. These are smart people, and I'm pretty sure they're capable of telling when someone's bitter and spewing BS to try and hurt someone they don't like. If I, or anybody else, is calling you a liar without any proof to back it up, they're not going to just blindly go along with that. Give them a little credit.
As for me, I'm not basing any of this on emotion. I mean, for real, I don't like you, and probably never will, but that's irrelevant. I dealt with cold hard logic and facts when I responded to your attacks on me in public, and I'm going to do the same thing tonight. I'm gonna use the word "facts" more times than is necessary, just to drive the point home. If I can't prove something, I'll say that "I think" this or that, but otherwise, it's all just facts. I'm gonna keep it real simple like that. There are things that I feel, and there are things that just are, and the things that just are, are facts, regardless of how I feel. Facts facts facts. Y'okay?
So the facts is, you spent the entire game lying to everybody. Fact is, you treated people like garbage. Fact is, you went out of your way to make people feel safe, and to get their trust so that you could throw it away afterwards, and then you told them that they should never have expected anything else, because "it's a game." A lot of the things you did weren't necessary for your survival, which makes me think you were doing it just for fun, so you could enjoy manipulating us. Fact is, you rubbed all our faces in it in your public declaration, saying that you pissed on us like it was a joke. Those are the things that happened. Those are the things you did and said. That's not anybody being bitter, that's just the way you played the game. Now, here's what I think, pure speculation based on those facts. I think you showed your true colors in those posts. I think that that's the kind of player you really are, I think you let the mask slip for just a little bit, and now you're putting it back on and trying to get us to forget what we saw. I don't think you're actually sorry for anything you did. I don't think you're likely to tell the truth, because the fact is that you have not done it so far, and you have proven time and time again that you cannot be trusted.
Now, let's talk about bitterness. You've admitted that you were wrong about epicsbb, and I appreciate that. But that little speech took away your right to devalue anybody else's opinion due to bitterness. Because you thought that I attacked you first, you insulted me and sabotaged my aliases in other games. That is bitterness. That is getting vengeance on someone who you think hurt you first. And, yes, the fact is you apologized. But let's not overlook the fact that you apologized because you happened to be wrong. Not because it was wrong on any moral level to insult me or sabotage my alias. If I had actually done what you thought I did, you'd feel perfectly justified in calling me a cuntrag and an asshole, in telling me to grow a pair of balls, and in insulting Jefra's intelligence. I've read and re-read your apology, and in fact the only thing that you're actually apologizing for is that you happened to sling those insults at the wrong target. So I think you yourself are bitter. I can see it in your opening statement, where you turn me IMing you like two or three times after I was voted out (one of those times being an offline IM that was like... fifteen words total, if that), into "ripping on you over and over," as though this was some constant tirade that you had to put up with. Fact is, I was pretty unkind to you during the one actual conversation we had after I was voted out, so I totally understand if you're mad at me. I think you've got a right to be. But the fact is that you have made assumptions about me and about the things I say and do, and you have been proven wrong. So your claims that "anybody who says I'm lying is just bitter" aren't any more valid than anything that any "bitter" juror says. You're just as capable of having your vision clouded by your opinions of people.
And as for the disclaimer itself, I'll speak up on my own behalf. Here's the facts, and you can feel however you like about them: when you say things that are untrue, I will tell the jurors, and I will tell them in the jury forum. I'll show them whatever proof I have, so that they know that I'm not saying anything out of "bitterness" and what the facts are. And if they aren't convinced by those facts, and they want to get your side of things, they can go ahead and ask for it, knowing full well that they are asking a habitual liar to tell the truth.
And ya know what the neat thing about this is? If you tell the truth, I will have nothing to tell the other jurors, and it'll all be gravy. It's all up to you, dude.
Please don't post a response.
